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please note due to the number of contributions which is just great i am going to post three a week from 22/04, they will be posted sunday 06:00 - tuesday 14:00 - thursday 20:00 thank you for all contributions and please keep sending them in, they make the site what it is. peter -- birmingham city transport – daimler cog – cvp 207 – 1107 posted 12th august 2018 -- birmingham city transport 1937 daimler cog5 metro-cammell h30/24r between 1934 and 1939 birmingham corporation transport, which adopted the name birmingham city transport from 1937, took some 800 examples of the daimler cog5 model, which, despite its modest five cylinder gardner power unit, was a sophisticated performer with an effective flexible engine mounting and a fluid flywheel/epicyclic gearbox transmission. most of these buses were bodied by metro-cammell, though many were fitted with birmingham railway carriage & wagon (brcw) bodywork, all to the distinctive birmingham h30/24r design. many of these reliable buses survived up to 1954/55, with a solitary example, no.1235 of 1939, being withdrawn in 1960. cvp 207, no.1107, was one of the 1937 batch, but in 1950 it received the metro-cammell body from similar bus no.1216 of 1939 vintage, which was then withdrawn. in 1954 1107 became a snowplough, but returned to passenger service in 1957 when the corporation took over some midland red routes. on being finally retired in 1959 it thankfully escaped the scrapper’s torch, and now resides with the transport museum at wythall. 1107 is seen above at brighton during the 1969 hcvc rally. photograph and copy contributed by roger cox 16/08/18 – 06:09 there were still a couple of these pre-war cog5s tucked away in the back of moseley road depot when i moved to birmingham in september 1961. doubtless a few others elsewhere on the system. john grigg view all: daimler co -- please leave a comment or send information manchester corporation – leyland titan pd2 – jnd 619 – 3218 posted 22nd july 2018 -- manchester corporation 1951 leyland titan pd2/3 metro-cammell h32/26r seen in piccadilly in august 1969 in the final months of manchester corporation ownership is no 3218, jnd 619, one of a batch of leyland pd2/3 buses purchased in 1951. despite appearances, the bodywork is not by crossley, being instead of the then standard manchester design built by metro-cammell. having given some eighteen years of service to manchester, this bus survived to pass into the selnec era, though not, i suspect, for long. photograph and copy contributed by roger cox 23/07/18 – 06:58 this would be on a rush hour full service length extra on which these and the similar looking pd1/3s, which were withdrawn between 1967 and 1968, were regular performers. according to the official selnec fleet allocation these pd2/3s were not taken into stock, although eyre and heaps in the manchester bus have all but 3224, withdrawn in april 1969, transferred to selnec. what i suspect happened was that the vehicles were deemed withdrawn at midnight, mctd having ceased at 23.59 on october 31 1969, selnec coming into being at 00.01 on november 1 – such are the legal niceties! further to my previous comments, the selnec operational fleet allocation on formation has 300 pd2s from manchester and 103 from salford in the central area fleet listing. no manchester and salford pd2s were allocated to other divisions on formation. the selnec stock allocation i.e vehicle assets taken over in whatever state, lists 501 pd2s in the central area. taking eyre and heaps listings in the manchester bus and in the salford lists available, the number of pd2s owned by those undertakings on october 31 1969 was 387 in manchester and 103 in salford giving a total of 490. the situation would seem to have been that 67 pd2s from the mcw and leyland bodied jnd registered batch in the sequence 3200-3299 were transferred as assets but immediately deleted from the available fleet along with 1 from the northern counties batch 3300-3329 and 19 from the leyland bodied batch 3330-3369. there is photographic evidence of one or more of these batches pressed into selnec service. there is however a discrepancy of 11 pd2s between the 501 listed as assets and the total of 403 operational and 87 midnight withdrawals. if anyone can find the missing 11, given that as far as i can ascertain, the assets of the central division did not include any transfers in from elsewhere at the time of formation on november 1 1969 i would be grateful. phil blinkhorn 24/07/18 – 07:25 i regularly travelled to and from school on these buses between 1964 and 1967. i understand that the shallower windows on each side at the rear were to support the platform which was not supported underneath as on most buses. i have read that metro cammell came up with this design, although crossley adopted it as standard for a while. don mckeown 25/07/18 – 06:11 manchester certainly got its moneys worth out of these buses and although quite elderly they were used on many lengthy prestige routes until the end of mctd. they regularly appeared on the 17, 24 and 90 in rochdale by which time the joint operating partners, rochdale and oldham on the 24 and 90 were using more modern stock. i always found them rather drab buses to travel in with lots of dark woodwork and a fairly depressing moquete pattern for the seats. and of course like most buses of that time the upper deck reeked of stale tobacco smoke. i think the experience of 1950’s upper deck travel so mum could have a fag made me a life-long non-smoker! philip halstead 26/07/18 – 06:45 i was living on barlow moor road in didsbury in 1969 and 1970, and i remember 3218 as being the only one of these at parrs wood garage – very much the odd one out; always slightly surprised when it turned up, which it often did on rush hour extras. steve owen 27/07/18 – 06:45 i have slides of 3237, 3246 and 3255 taken in manchester on october 29 1970. they did not sport the green selnec central s. they were showing the following route numbers 64x, 63x, and 62x respectively. stephen bloomfield 29/07/18 – 07:36 stephen, the central flash was blue. green was for the southern division, magenta was the northern division, and the orange was for the coaches, parcels, and central activities. brown was later used for the cheshire division, the ex north western road car company. stephen howarth 05/08/18 – 07:52 i was using rush-hour limited-stop services along the hyde road corridorout of chorlton street bus station for a time between 1970 and ’71 and several of these "32xx" pd2s turned up regularly on routes such as the "124" and "207/208/209". the buses were run-down inside (torn-rexine) and were probably living outside the hyde road depot in the yard,awaiting the chop. john hardman 05/08/18 – 09:41 john, you are most likely correct in your assumption as to the source of the rush hour extras. selnec would have preferred not to have taken any vehicle assets over fifteen years old but the legislation demanded that the undertakings absorbed were absorbed lock, stock and barrel. the distinction that was made between the operational fleet and the total vehicle assets was quickly blurred due to the need to move vehicles around the divisions to introduce omo and the need for extra vehicles caused by delays in deliveries. it would seem that the best runners from the withdrawn stock that still had valid certificates of fitness were temporarily relicensed to fill rush hour gaps. it was estimated that in 1965 one third of the manchester fleet was retained for rush hour duties, generally vehicles over fifteen years old and apart from the 1953/1954 daimlers which selnec took into the operational fleet, all those older vehicles in the manchester fleet in 1969 were originally listed as non-operational. in passing it is worth commenting that the mcw pd2s outlived the newer northern counties bodied batch from 1953. phil blinkhorn 07/08/18 – 06:06 i moved to manchester to become a student in october 1970 and i am abs

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